Maris was a two-time MVP saddled with the reputation of a slugger, and those 61 home runs hung around his neck like a bowling ball. WebRoger Maris deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he made a permanent mark in baseball history. McGwire said that breaking the single season home run record was a gift from the guy upstairs. The writers hold grudges against players they dont like for instance look at Del Ennis he had the most RBIs in the decade of the 50e more than Stan Musial, Eddie Matthews,Hank Aaron, Mickey Mantle Willie Mays and yet hes not in the HoF. Koufax was clearly one of the best arms in his prime, but his career was so brief, especially considering he didn't hit his stride until it was nearly halfway over! It is possible that any player since steroids were invented cheated. It broke Babe Ruths 34-year single setting a record does not warrant induction. $ + tax Maris was a family man who played it straight on and off the field and treated the game with respect. The commissioner, Ford Frick, refused to The HOF has really gone downhill and has become the hall of pretty good so Maris should be in. It's hard to watch average NFL players and even convicts get into the NFL HOF while MLB struggles to acknowledge generational stars ~ in many cases careers like Dave Parker, Steve Garvey and Dale Murphy made the All Star team in almost every season in which they played. Maris is an extraordinary example of stardom. There have been other Veteran's Committee selectees that compare favorably to Maris. This is the short version. It came down to the final three games of the 1961 season. He played for four different teams (Cleveland Indians, Kansas City Royals, New York Yankees and St. Louis Cardinals). I'm sure it lead to his career being so short. I just watched 61 the other day. Maybe roger never makes it to the Hall, thats ok. Accomplishments after that date, the Frick ruling read, would be designated by an asterisk. It's bleeding over in to MTG. Roger Maris goes deep in the 3rd inning off Milt Pappas, a blast almost 400 feet into the bleachers in right field giving him 59 round trippers for the season, passing Jimmie Foxx and Hank Greenberg, but two short of breaking Babe Ruth's single season home run record. Note: Bill Mazeroskis series-winning home run for the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1960 certainly deserves to be on the list, but Mazeroski is already in the baseball Hall of Fame the one in Cooperstown. But it was only a matter of time before the Yankees would yank him (sorry) from Kansas City. There were almost as many reporters as fans. There is pretty clearly no ball being thrown or hit in this video. Not only for HR record setter, but MVP, world series champ, etc. That was why he got so many RBI opportunities, and why pitchers challenged him even when runners were on base. Reputation: 2587. The arguments against Maris include his struggles with durability and longevity, with his 1,463 games played being on the very low end for a candidate. 61 on the last day of the season. Unfortunately for Maris he wasn't the people's choice to break the 34-year-old record. And they're standing up. There's no contest to the fact other than giving Babe Ruth 162 games but we cannot do that. What if a lot of people had money on Maris not breaking this record and the commissioner just gave it to him for publicity. Rogers swing was crafted by Zeus for the right field dimensions of Yankee Stadium, and in his first season in The Bronx, Maris hit 39 home runs and led the league in runs batted in. The only thing Roger Maris had going for him was a major record. His personal hitting coach helped Judge from the beginning of his Yankee career, teaching him a set of unorthodox swing mechanics which potentiate his power. Bunch of players ahead of Maris in the HOF discussion. Roger Maris, who had to be drained both physically and emotionally faced 24-year-old Red Sox right-hander Tracy Stallard. The game took 1 hour, 15 minutes. Aaron Judge is 6' 7 and over 280 lbs. Where have you gone, Red Barrett? Only 5-foot-8 and 155 pounds, hes still alive at 93. Thats a pretty unusual opinion. Maris was elected MVP in 1960 because he led the league in RBI. I realize Barry Bonds isn't the most humble guy. However, he met the 10 year minimum and those 6 great years propelled him over the top. During the 1961 baseball season, I was a 17 year old enjoying my summer vacation before entering my senior year of high school. He doesn't backpedal and turn or anything. Roger Maris was not the very personable Mickey Mantle type guy. The hit total would be the lowest of all position players who did not play in the negro leagues. The next season the American League added two teams and expanded the schedule to 162 games. Or in life, for that matter. Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but the highest form of intelligence - Oscar Wilde. But all Roger Maris was known for was 61 swings that produced 61 homers in 1961. Here are my reasons/rebuttals that Maris does not belong in the Hall of Fame. if anything his back to back mvps is a Maris made his Major League debut on April 16, 1957, with the Cleveland Indians. He was an MVP the year before he broke the HR record (and the year he broke it too). Likewise for Maris - Maris circling the bases and the guy emerging from the scramble holding up the ball are the only visible evidence of the homerun. Collectors Corner | Before then, he was a staff writer for the Dallas Morning News for two years. The HoF has never had standards as low as it did starting shortly after Maris retired and continuing on and off for about a decade, and it never will again. Read22 hours ago | Mark Penn, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles I don't think anybody can argue reasonably that it isn't. He and his wife, Rebecca, live in Manhattan. Already a subscriber? Ben Shpigel has covered the Mets for The Times since 2005. He was a good right fielder, very strong, and he could run some too. And Mickey went to North Dakota for Roger's funeral in 1985. Position players spend 1/18 of a game hitting and half of it holding down the field of play. And the boos get louderTwo balls, no strikes on Roger Maris. But, Maris is way, way more famous than any baseball player not in the HOF. And that lots of people hated him for the rest of his career for having the nerve to break Babe Ruths record. it is entirely possible that Maris cheated on his way to 61 as it certainly was a statistical anomaly for him. Everything is relative, he led the majors in HR eight times). (if applicable) for The Wall Street Journal. Boston pitchers shut out Maris in the first two games. This is manifestly not true. As soon as you said that Maris was a better defensive player than Roberto Clemente, any credibility you have is shot. it is entirely possible that Maris cheated on his way to 61 as it certainly was a statistical anomaly for him. in fact, it puts me very much in mind of Brady Anderson in the I wrote a whole long rant and deleted it. His career beyond '61 and '60 is relatively unremarkable, but to set a long standing record like that in a sport that has been recorded for so long is remarkable and enough to be enshrined. The catcher has a ball. Author I have read alot about baseball and the greats of the game. Roger Maris and Allie Reynolds, a pair of history-making contributors to separate Yankees championship squads, landed on the outside looking in as the Eras Committee welcomed six new members to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Sunday. I wouldnt agree that Maris was the best right fielder in baseball for half his career. Roger Maris Claim to fame: This October will mark the 50th anniversary of Roger Mariss 61st home run in the 1961 season. The number is really blurry. WebMLB Never Forgave Roger Maris for Beating Babe Ruth Why isnt he in the Hall of Fame? shrug My mom has a cesarean scar. [deleted] 9 yr. ago Too young to see Maris in his best years. WebSep 6, 2022 - Lets talk about my dads favorite Hall of Fame case: Roger Maris. Ford Frick was a sports writer and broadcaster before he became NL president in the late 30s and commissioner of baseball in the late 50s. The Ford C. Frick Award is given out by MLB to broadcasters annually. He was never a "scrawny kid" or "thin" like Bonds and McGuire were in their first few seasons. I changed the contrast on this image. I enjoyed reading it. Roger Maris in the same way that the actor James Dean went fast around here. Nearly all my baseball knowledge comes from reading Beckett and trading sports cards when I was in junior high and high school. Maris was shut out during a twi-night doubleheader (games 152 and 153). In his final 2 years, he aided the cardimals to 2 pennants and 1 world series. And a melee broke out as fans scuffled and scrambled, fighting for the ball and the $5,000 reward. No, for decades the RBI stat (and homers) were extremely important to MVP voters. WebRoger Maris was a really good baseball player who has only a small number of Hall of Fame years, including one that included a Hall of Fame accomplishment. Can this nonsensical direction this thread has taken please stop? McMichael and Dan Hampton (a 2002 Hall of Fame inductee) formed one of the greatest defensive duos in NFL history, a unit that totaled 41.5 sacks from 1984-88. Readmore, The Yankees, the Mets, and Major League Baseball. The selection of players for the Hall of Fame isnt always as simple as stats home runs, hits, RBI, victories. I hate that Golden Gloves are just throw away facts when considering the HOF. Twelve votes were necessary for induction. Now, nearly 26 years after his death, it is time to make amends and put Roger Maris where he belongs - in the Hall of Fame. South Dakota?? During the 1961 season, Maris hit 61 home runs for the New York Yankees, breaking Babe Ruth's single-season record of 60 home runs (set in 1927), a record that stood for 37 years. . I don't know who trained Tiger Woods. He ranks 64th in BBRef WAR among right fielders. He followed up with a 24-9 season in 69 to win another Cy Young. Maris has 1.325 hits in his 12-year career, which by the way, would be one of the shorter careers for a position player in the Hall of Fame. Because except for a a couple seasons, he basically was average https://bleacherreport.com/articles/221894-the-king-without-a-crown-should-roger-maris-be-in-the-hall-of-fame. How sweet. If Aaron Judge eclipses him, itll be quite an In the video his uniform is remarkably white for an away uniform. Have you heard of Honus Wagner, Derek Jeter, Cal Ripken and host of others? If you're committed to voting for a Dodger and won't vote for Messersmith because pitchers have their own award, what is the argument for voting for Garvey over Wynn? I don't talk to people about baseball. I thnk Roger should b in the Hall. A kid grabbed his hand as he turned past first - Maris shook hands and then did the same thing with third base coach Frank Crosetti as he turned past third base and headed home. Does he deserve to be in? Barry Bonds was trained to be a baseball player since he was a child. They cite the 12 seasons (six mediocre, six increasingly brilliant) by Sandy Koufax and the injury-shortened career of Dizzy Dean (nine full seasons and only one There is no doubt he is 1 of my favorite Yankees. If you watch the video it's obviously fake. @coolstanley said: If I remember right, Killebrew, Cash and Gentile and perhaps others in the AL. Kind of like Tiger Woods. Roger Maris Claim to fame: This October will mark the 50th anniversary of Roger Mariss 61st home run in the 1961 season. It broke Babe Ruths 34-year single season record and stood another 37 years until Mark McGwire hit 70 home runs in 1998, and it remains the defining achievement for Maris. He previously worked for the National Baseball Hall of Fame, and Major League Baseball Advanced Media. https://EzineArticles.com/expert/Mickey_Morgan/1169320, 2023 EzineArticlesAll Rights Reserved Worldwide. Where did you get the idea that Larry Bowa had the most hits by a shortstop? But he fizzled out after that and was finished at age 28. Since it was established in 1936, the National Baseball Hall of Fame has amassed 333 elected members. Among those honored are some of the greatest MLB players to ever play. Yet not everyone makes it into the Hall of Fame, prompting outcries from fans. One hotly debated omission involves former New York Yankees great Roger Maris. Collectors.com | The arguments against Maris include his struggles with durability and longevity, with his 1,463 games played being on the very low end for a candidate. Mariss career stats will continue to be evaluated by future veterans committees, so for those pulling for him, theres always a possibility. He doesnt really have a long peak either. Red Barrett: An unknown with a pedestrian career record of 69-69 was the most efficient pitcher in history or at least he was for one game. His defense was quite good. The 23,154 roaring fans at Yankee Stadium were quieted. CU | HOF enshrinement should be based on the players overall body of work. Others were glad I mentioned that Maris led the 1960s with World Series appearances seven, including four championships and that he was the most valuable player in 1960 and 1961. Known as Superchief, Reynolds was the Yankees best pitcher of the late 1940s and early 1950s. If Judge breaks the record this year, it will be 61 years after Maris hit 61 in '61. Many other fans wrote that just breaking Babe Ruths single-season record of 60 (in a season eight games longer than the Babes) under intense pressure was enough to qualify Yankees All-Time Team >The 100 Greatest Right Fielders of All-Time >The All-Time Player Rankings >20 Greatest Yankees of All-Time >. Sign in or register to get started. He's short across the board IMO except for the fame part, which he does have. Last night, Aaron Judge surpassed Roger Maris for both the New York Yankees' single-season home run record as well as the American League home run record. 1 year, 4 months. However, you could also argue that average HOF players gained an advantage from specific feats or a brief stint of dominance, where the career numbers don't quite seem to say HOF career. Maybe he doesn't have the greatest career stats. Why is Roger Maris not in the Baseball Hall of Fame? Number 60 came at Yankee Stadium off Baltimore's Bill Fisher on September 26. Its not the first time his name has been on a special committee ballot, but given the advanced analysis we have today for evaluating ballplayers, this time the former Yankee slugger has as good a chance as any to be elected. Not sure without looking it up. Controversy also stemmed from a newly expanded 162-game regular season, eight games longer than the schedule played in 1927 when Ruth hit 60. Your cynical speculation on what Judge is accomplishing is just conjecture. His stats, 275 career HR, .260 batting average, and 38.2 WAR are nowhere near numbers to qualify for the Hall. Then look at Larry Bowa when he retired he had the highest fielding percentage of all shortstops that ever played in MLB and set the record two times for fewest errors by shortstop in a season he also had the most hits by a shortstop in the history of MLB and the writers didnt like him and you guessed it hes not in the HoF. You will be charged The underlying current, of course, is the apparent involvement of latter-day sluggers with body-building steroids, which were not used in the day of Henry Aaron, Maris and Ruth. Then, he came back to close out Game 4, striking out Stan Lopata to record the save and secure the Yanks' 13th World Series title in franchise history. be held against him. https://x-files.fandom.com/wiki/Babe_Ruth. Eliminate 1956 and Mantle is still an HOFer. Pete Donovan is a Palm Desert resident and former Los Angeles Times sports reporter. He was a great player for the few seasons he played. I respectfully disagree. I disagree. Maris would be a very unusual selection for the Hall of Fame. Mickey Morgan| His Yankee teammates formed a human wall in front of the dugout, refusing to let him enter. As others have said, he clearly falls short on the career stats, and there is simply no way of looking at it that places Maris above Dwight Evans, Bobby Bonds, Bobby Murcer, or several other better right fielders ignored by the HOF. If Joe Namath is in the Football HOF, then I believe Roger Maris should also be in the baseball HOF. Fastball, hit deep to right! Buffet lunch and guest speakers. F Craig was a three-time Super Bowl champion and four-time Pro Bowl player. Maris for hall is mainly sentiment. Personally, I regard Maris still to be baseballs season Home Run Leader, excluding Bonds, McGuire and Sosa. Should say North Dakota, sorry about the error. Was it just his big lead in RBI to the extent of everything else? Maris received three or fewer votes from the 16-member committee appointed by the Hall of Fame to review a 10-candidate Golden Era ballot. The only evidence of Mazeroski's homer is seeing Yogi Berra looking up dejectedly and Mazeroski circling the bases. Archived post. Red Barber knew a thing or two about calling a ball game, although all he said was "there it is". https://www.google.com/search?q=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&ei=QbjpYqjFE-3YkPIPl6aHsAE&ved=0ahUKEwjo6Yq-rKn5AhVtLEQIHRfTARYQ4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=Ford+Frick+"Roger+Maris"+ruth&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BQgAEJECOgUILhCRAjoRCC4QgAQQsQMQgwEQxwEQ0QM6CAguELEDEIMBOgsILhCABBCxAxCDAToFCAAQgAQ6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOhAILhCxAxCDARDHARDRAxBDOgQILhBDOgQIABBDOg0ILhCxAxCDARDUAhBDOggIABCxAxCDAToKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzoICC4QgAQQsQM6CgguELEDEIMBEAo6CAguENQCEJECOgsILhCABBDHARCvAToFCC4QgAQ6CAguEIAEENQCOgUIABCGAzoGCAAQHhAWOggIABAeEBYQCjoGCAAQHhANOgQIABAeOgUIIRCgAToFCCEQqwJKBAhBGABKBQhAEgExSgQIRhgAUIUEWNxmYN5oaARwAXgAgAHPAogBziqSAQgwLjMxLjIuMZgBAKABAcgBCLgBA8ABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz, Yes, folks I do realize, this is likley tantamount to "playing chess with pigeons" :sigh. Not, who among Kaat, Parker, and Garvey should be in, but rather if we're considering players from that era why aren't we looking at Grich, Nettles, Bell, Randolph, Dwight Evans, or Reuschel? A two-time Most Valuable Player (1960, 61) and seven-time All-Star, Maris starred from 1957-68 with the Indians, Athletics, Yankees and Cardinals. So, according to you only people who are alive at the time can comment on history? Four times he tried to no avail. Roger Maris has no Hall of Fame case. Coinflation, Previous transactions: Wondercoin, goldman86, dmarks, Type2. In 1961, Maris did not homer in his first ten games, but by the end of May he had hit 12. As they say in the legal system: I'd rather see a guilty man go free than an innocent man go to prison. Nobody is going to mistake George Kell or Bill Mazeroski for Cal Ripken or Reggie Jackson. Kell and Maz both got in ~ it doesnt tarnish Cal or Reggie in the least. To use an analogy in the sportscard world - I bought my most expensive card ever last year which was 3x more than I ever paid for a card. Read21 hours ago | Lance Morrow, Article viewed iconAn icon to mark the viewed articles it could also mean he made contact. Silva wrote: Comets are fast! Maris had 58 home runs on September 18 when the Yankees came to Baltimore for a four game series. But I hate it when we make the argument on stats and conjecture. Im 46 and never got to see roger or mickey or any others play during that time of baseball. Please at least get your facts correct? Scan this QR code to download the app now. I wouldn't mind players getting into the HOF for extraordinary accomplishments.. Maris, Mattingly, Munson, Garvey, Dave Parker, Dale Murphy (another back to back MVP winner like Maris was), Keith Hernandez ~ all of them MVP's ~ all of them huge stars in their time. 500 homer's and 3k hits arent the only qualifications certainly. Kaat pitched briefly for the Yankees in 1979 and 80, then won seven Emmy Awards in the Yankees broadcast booth for MSG Network and the YES Network. "If I never hit another home run - this is the one they can never take away from me.". Thats an interesting idea. 2021-08-12. @ScoobyDoo2 said: The pitcher has a ball. Aaron , Robinson , Clemente and Colavito were all great players but Maris was probably better as an overall defensive player, even than Clemente.Roger Maris, who won two Most Valuable Player Awards, primarily for his offense, was better at fielding, in my opinion than hitting. I also wouldn't mind seeing Mattingly, Murph and KHernandez either. I was today years old when I found out that Roger Maris is not in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Great movie. You can probably assume that means a HR, especially if that was a statement he used frequently.
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