Archived post. They were heavy drinkers. You misfit husband and misfit daughter are the only ones who could and can. For those who believe Shanann killed her kids, would it have been for one or more of the same reasons I listed for Chris? His full birth name is Christopher Lee Watts. Perhaps he was trying to save his daughters from the madness he knew he had for a long time. At 1:27 in this video link, Cindy Watts says it so quickly its easy to miss it completely. Its so difficult for me to fathom not getting along your, Ill just call it same-sex in-law because it happens in both cases. I feel so sad for her family, they dont deserve this, Shanann was NOTHING like his mother. Only someone who is mad could possibly kill his whole family. Youve heard of divorce, right? Did Shanann know too? They absolutely refuse to accept it. They still should have been the bigger people and just attended the wedding and put up & shut up. For my part, Im interested in knowing more about the family dynamics, and the characters involved. Nuts are no longer an issue anyway. I do think it was horrible that they didnt go to the wedding. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Be the first to know about the biggest stories as they break. And they can record all they want. She was, she was you and I know its so hard for you. When a person commits to being a bridesmaid, that includes showing up. Am I to assume that you are the author of Cindys book? They had intended to go but felt they couldnt after this. The Watts family seems so weird and like they're missing the empathy "gene." This thread is archived I would like to understand too, if he killed his kids, and I think he did, why he did it. He wanted his own wild child to have another run around the paddock. As far as I have read, this video is from when he was in the Colorado prison. And I think years of being just the nice guy to go along with everything and being bossed around and feeling so small like he didnt really have a say, Im sure had a profound impact on his mental health coupled with the fact that he allegedly wasnt excited to have another baby and didnt really love being a dad as much as he claimed. So this is way more than some Freudian spiel to overcome a supposedly dominant mother. Well that maybe true according to Cindy however please explain the 80 bridal invitations that never got mailed in the attempts to embarrass Shanann with no one showing up. But to just not send them? Their behavior spoke volumes. Go ahead and make up stuff. My Sister's Closet Suzanne Singer Mr. & Mrs. William . and our In front of Shanann was Chris dad holding hands with Bella and Chris mom walked beside his dad. I just find it odd that shes been totally MIA in this investigation, one reddit user questioned. Maybe one day?. This site isnt in any camp except the true crime camp, which means investigate sometimes dispassionately what happened, and why. Oh Remember when we were at the splash party in Colorado? 2022 Circle of Friends Donors . I dont think a trial is the only way of getting to those skeletons, though. Those invested in the case have wondered why she has yet to speak out. But back to the original topic, Cindy did not try to kill Cece. When something needs to be done, *someone* needs to do it. Ditto, Nan. Shes a piece of work, that one. Play it back and the reporter has just mentioned the couple married in 2012. They cut her off. Just not now. Chris Watts stares down wife's friend after he returns home to find Im sure there are many more Secrets on the Rzucek family.. .. side If you are familiar with this movie then you know the main character kills his wife after she kills their children., I believe that is where he got the idea of blaming Shannan.. Send it to us! I left the project because as I have publicly stated I believe his primary targets were his children. Divorce would have left them all with new lives. It was a very pretty shower. Two camps? Chris Watts is a liar and like all sociopath narcissist did a smear campaign on Shanann. So she travels to give them medicine or treatment. At 58 seconds in the clip below Cindy Watts seems to have made peace with the fact that her son killed Shanann: CINDY: He did kill her uh[chews gum]but for the kids, no. Did you watch Chris Watts sentencing hearing? The dumb bitch. Does anyone know if shes ever made any kind of public statement or opinion? I feel like he thought hed have better chances of getting away with it after that is if he took his kids life away too. Locked post. His despicable family took up more time than anybody. Hes going to die in prison. Both were their mothers golden boys and both mothers disapproved of their daughter-in-laws. The families involved have interesting, if not dysfunctional, dynamics going on. Thats what they all do play victim. Having said that, for CW parents to feel so strongly about Shannan that they didnt attend their own sons wedding then there must be a whole lot more to this that we dont know or understand. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. Interesting hypothesis, but its pretty clear from the interview/interrogation that Chris only starts talking about that scenario *after* the investigator floats the question about ShanAnn doing something to the girls as the reason why he killed her. Yeah Gabby, and it sure is too bad that we cant clear this all up and move on well we can, but Shanan, CeeCee and Bella cannot because Chris Watts choked them to death. Exclusive Visit with the Colorado Killer Chris Watts and His Last 3 Living Relatives.The exclusive also showcases Watts' sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, who mana. So sad. The one where Cici had turned around and I got a really good close up picture of her and I used that, 64-year-old Cindy said. Cindy Watts mouth turns upside down when she speaks of Shannan in videos. Shanann wore the pants in the marriage and Chriss anger built over time. Jamies husband has worked hard getting his job. Its not professional, Jamie Watts Williams job connection to nutgate. Shes fighting because its her son. Other than wanting to see a trial, its difficult to see him other than as a very tarnished and very pathetic character. Although both families essentially lived in the same town, they apparently did not know each other or regularly cross paths, so this would have been a valuable opportunity to get to know each other better, since the families would now be linked together via the happy couple. Im not going to name them. Agreed. Gabby is actually Cindy Watts lmao. SW couldnt be responsible for doing *everything* to make a friendly relationship happen!, yes, she could. CHILLING footage shows the moment triple-murderer Chris Watts stops to buy breakfast on the morning he disposed of the bodies of his wife and children. Shanann was still in Colorado in June. They say its victim blaming, but a lot of the people who say that are also current or former MLMs and they identify very directly with her. THAT DOES NOT GIVE CHRIS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT HE DID. Chilling. Powered by BlueHost . Cadle, Anna, Kathleen, Jamie's old girlfriends. You, me, Ronnie, Jamie, all of us will get through this together, because we love you so much, Cindy Watts whimpered. Chris Watts Sister Jamie Watts-Williams Tarot Reading - YouTube And for those who say, Cindy Watts was a witch! She lost her marbles because a kid sat down with another kid and started eating some ice cream they got from the freezer. I wish I could ask you more, Cindy murmured. I think that Chris wanted to save face. Anyone who left a child with the Watts family were completely ignorant of how truly dangerous it was. Let me end with saying that I dont know what happened that night, but I think that its a tragedy we can all expect to learn from. Nathan Trinastich said he was acting strange on surveillance footage in Oxygens documentary Criminal Confessions. I saw an interview with one of Chris Watts former mistresses, not Nichol but the one before her. I see your point. You can have a nut true allergy to only one tree nut. He went gray rock very early on in life to deal to cope with his mother. But notice that, in the wake of NutGate, Chris commented to ShanAnn that she had put a dagger between him and his *father*. Border agent dies and two others are 'gravely' injured following a shootout in major drug smuggling corridor off the coast of Puerto Rico: Suspected smuggler also dead after two Americans arrested. A similar dynamic seems to have played out in the Watts family, minus the privileged status. CW parents were considered safe and good enough to babysit for up to a fortnight while Cw and Shanann were staying at places like Punta Cana. Shanann was always in control. If they got along great, then thats a possible theory. But yes, Kathleen told Kay and everyone listening that CW has told them what he did MANY times. That was not an excuse to kill her by any means but she was fairly toxic herself. My thoughts are just that its a pretty big deal not to go to a wedding so it would be interesting to get all the facts. Its all in Chriss interview after the conviction and sentencing. Zoom in on his eyes. He became intolerant of these ongoing family issues once he started his affair with Nikki. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Only the ones that truly lived it. Any cookies that may not be particularly necessary for the website to function and is used specifically to collect user personal data via analytics, ads, other embedded contents are termed as non-necessary cookies. Ashley's main point is that Chris Watts was a seething, passive-aggressive narcissist. The women had all drawn lines in the sand and that takes a toll on everyone, I think.. Chris Watts with his Sister Wife, Children & Relationships Chris met Shanann Watts in 2010; she was an independent representative for a multilevel marketing company called 'Le-vel,' which is focused on selling the wellness product called 'Thrive.' Video obtained by DailyMail.com shows the moment Chris Watts returned home from burying his wife and disposing of his daughters' bodies in an oil tank only to learn that Shanann's best friend had . Nonetheless why risk it? Theres people who believe Chris is a good guy, there are people who believe hes a monster, and then there are people who understand the complexity of the human condition and what might drive a person to a psychotic break which I think is exactly what happened. She even printed a special t-shirt for him to wear on Fathers Day, and took a picture of him wearing it. That argument falls apart when you consider Shanann and Cindy didnt get along. irrational buy-in to such an inevitable financial disaster. To me, all they wanted to do was save his life, just save his life. For some of them they have a lot at stake in defending Shanann, theyre currently up to their eyeballs in their own MLM stuff, and theyre terrified of losing the gold mine they think this case has created for them. I just wished you would have talked to us more.. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. He killed 2 children and one unborn, what more do we need to know why? The sister wanted to get involved in the wedding planning nad volunteered to do the invitations. CW looks miserable on his wedding day whilst she looks elated she has her whole family there after all. CHRIS WATTS / Is This His Sister Jamie Lynn Williams AKA - YouTube Shanann just exaggerated the shit out of it, like all their health issuesherself included. Whatever amount of attention Shanann wasted on this family was to much. Shananns the root of evil? If Watts started to develop first enmity, then a murderous resentment towards his wife [no one is saying he was justified, just that those feelings had to have been there], then if his own parents disliked Shanann [as Scott Petersons disliked or felt superior to Lacis] he may have felt he could get away with it. Have a tip? And if you read Chris and Shannans communications she was just a very strong woman who was perhaps on the self centered side, and while she loved Chris, I dont think she knew or understood how domineering she could be. John List is the best known example of this, but there are many others. 2021 Original Media Group Corporation. [Ten years later the Anthonys are still fighting to keep their home]. No, none of us are. I do suspend any judgement on Shanann. We won't post to any of your accounts without asking first. Just Like you. Cheers Even though Ive written three books, I feel weve barely scratched the surface, and I think theres a great big pile of skeletons still stuck in the closet. I asked Chris, If you did not do this, do not confess to something you didnt do,' Cindy told ABC7 at the time. Chris Watts Exclusive The Watts Family Tapes, Cindy Watts "I - YouTube By no means am I justifying his actions. Her reaction I think was justified in that her daughter could have died, but then she told Chris that he wasnt ALLOWED to talk to his family. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. He never expected to be seriously challenged because everyone liked him and Mommy thought he was perfect. Do you hear yourself? As Shanann asked her too. The conversation spiraled out of control when Cindy claimed 3-year-old Celeste was a spitting image of her father, who brutally murdered her. Jamie Watts Williams job connection to nutgate Am I the only one that finds it strange that Jamie is a respiratory therapist? Firstly, in the Casey Anthony case, Caylee died the day after Fathers Day. Agree with all of the above. Trinket doesnt say much, does she? She suffered enough. How could she be so without human empathy that Chris Wattss mother says its okay if he killed Shannan? Thats what regular folks do. Now we know why. The sister Jamie said she couldnt get off work to attend the bridal party events prior to the wedding. Its been nearly three years since Chris Watts pleaded guilty to murdering his pregnant wife,Shanann Watts, and their two daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, but his family still isnt convinced hes a killer. What pictures did you use for the service? Watts asked his mother during the explosive one-on-one two-hour special. Does anyone know if she's ever made any kind of public statement or opinion? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Circle of Friends - Arizona Humane Society Cindi should never have tried to expose CeCe to nuts. Ronnie and Chris seemed to get this yet it ate away at something inside them so much they both resorted to extreme measures to ultimately cope: Ronnie cocaine and Chris murder. He was sentenced to three consecutive life terms in prison plus 84 years in Nov. 2018 for his heinous crimes. Expect a lot of aggression and animosity from the Shanann camp. No damn way. Two camps appear to be forming, those who support Chris Watts [in some way], and those who side with Shanann [as the innocent victim]. Shanann was the dominant force, definitely not Cindy. Out of these cookies, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. That also echoes what Chris Watts said on the porch when a reporter mentioned a search dog going into the house, and the sidewalk crawling with cops and police cruisers. One of the primary activities at a wedding is to enable the two sides of the family to meet and get to know each other. The constant bashing of Shanann. Cindy said they didnt go because she hated Shanann even back then, and was angry because Chris would not obey her wish for him to stop being with her. Why not believe the physician that prescribed the epi pen? His father would not use physical discipline, but would raise his voice. I think its the most reasonable one on here. Its simply an act of madness. Sure gets ones mind in thinking mode! Though I have no idea how he can sleep at night definitely didnt end up with the mistress being in jail and all. Proof is in the planning, deliberate smothering of his 2 little girls TWICE, and murder of tgeir mother and baby Nico.all planned weeks in advance. you can see that just in the text messages in the documentary. Thank you! 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I think she also said somewhere that shell fight for him no matter what. August 1, 2018: Chris Watts' First Day in North Carolina #1yearagotodayCW. I dont know what it is yet, you are someone I always felt had a pure heart, a good soul, no-one, no-one, could ever say anything bad about you. The fact that he had several affairs while married essentially leading a completely double life which would include a lifestyle of lies to cover his tracks, speaks volumes to his character but I digress. Chris may have felt caught in the middle and reacted by withdrawing from the field of battle, went mute, then AWOL, then the dark side. Perhaps you could learn more before commenting with over the top emotion. Her Thrivinga bomb waiting to go off. Would you let her walk around a tall building with no railing? I think that alot of the animus was the gaslighting of the invitations for the engagement party. Chris Watts Family Tapes- Exclusive By Your Content- Is This - YouTube The Bible says if we confess our sins, God is faithful and just and will forgive us, he said. I am not doing a book on this, interviews are not books. \"Featuring Chris Watts, His Parents Cindy \u0026 Ronnie Watts and Sister, Jamie Lyn Williams, who - until now - managed to remain the MOST SECRETIVE and SILENT FIGURE in terms of the two families sucked into this case thus far.\"Chris Watts Playlist:https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVxQLTsXwHrd3TjIHmOWhCKbuD07llQ6ZThis video is for educational purposesDon't forget to Subscribe:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5c1crGPtnf3ZJ5TKWl918QSubscribe to my new vlog channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHOYcyT3bHfeEh4n65C1TYQ/Become a Patron:www.patreon.com/JimevaCrimeTime So an attack of Shanann [any attack] feels like an attack of who they are, and their belief systems. That isnt even what happened. What if just *one* of them would have decided to be a bigger person and make nice for the sake of Chris, whom they both loved? Ironic it wasnt shanann who destroyed her son, this mistress is more involved than she tried to say, it was more her that helped destroy Chriss life, she didnt do it but telling him immediately to pawn her rings? and our You usually tell that person and give them the option of asking someone else. I dont want him to take this plea deal. We also know on June 9th, Shanann had a massive meltdown at Cindy Watts home, an event that occurred plumb in the middle between Mothers Day and Fathers Day. Chris Watts 'rebellious' sister Jamie drops 'Watts - YouTube Ten years later the Anthonys are still fighting to keep their home, Scott Petersons disliked or felt superior to Lacis, https://www.websleuths.com/forums/search/2228646/, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? Chris Watts got flowers for me yesterday for fun, Shanann Watts says on Thanksgiving Day. Learn about the nut incident that happened when Shanann took the girls to his family for a visit. We have a great relationship because of that. Oct 31 2015. Shananns brother cared about everybody, saying he thought he had a brother, but Chriss mother cared more about making excuses for him than what he did, Shananns brother Frankie was charged with child abuse in 2015 or 2016. The grew up in a low class family. How would it look if there was a serious reaction? That likely would have changed everything. Whats more, Cindy Watts, 64, claims her son has immense public support noting she doesnt care about the murders. *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-chp2Xo5Xo. That probably did not help the situation in any way. Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. i believe it was 100% premeditated by the family to give shannan the pills. THANK YOU. Chris Watts' Family: His Mom and Dad Don't Think He's Guilty Growing up, he lived with his mother, father, and sister JAMIE. Archived post. He experienced freedom while they were gone, and when they got back, he was probably overtaken by resentment that they stood between him and the mistress. Pro-family, pro-killer. A MUM killed alongside her two kids has had her final moments revealed in her evil husband's sick prison letters. I dont care what you did I love you so much and thats all there is to it!. For more information, please see our I think over time with the unsettling dynamics in the house, Chris immediate family, her family, Chris parent, sister, all full of animosity towards each other, bothered Chris. Despicable And completely typical Narcissistic behavior. He killed his family to very simply be free for his lover. From CWs perspective, when SWs *parents* came and stayed in their home *for over a year*, that was more evidence that SWs parents/side of the family would be a major part of their lives, while his own family, whom he was very close to, would not. I think they were allowed video calls, though. Chris Watts Prison Interview High Quality Audio (Removed A/C Noise) Others on his approved list from 2019 include parents Ronnie and Cynthia Watts, sister Jamie Williams and three other friends. #crime #chriswatts #shanannwattsHis father is his hero and his best friend.shanann watts chris watts, true crime, watts family murders, jamie watts, cindy watts, ronnie watts chris watts, full story, chris, watts, prison mail, fan mail, nichol kessinger, shanann ,love letters, christopher, shanann watts, christopher watts, chris watts full story ,murders, murder, life,morbid minds, autopsy, watts family, confession, dr phil, he watts family homicides, interview, denver7 chris watts, chris watts confession interview, chris watts sentencing, interrogation,shanann watts videos, chris watts arrest, home search, documentary, chris watts neighbor camerahttps://reachableshop.com/https://www.instagram.com/reachableshop/Chris Watts rebellious sister Jamie drops Watts - Was loved by Chris Watts Wifehttps://youtu.be/6u1L9jeh434 CW's sister Jamie : r/Chriswatts - Reddit Likewise, Chris's birthplace is Spring Lake, North Carolina, U.S., and his zodiac sign is Taurus. Trust me., We support you 100%. But I think shes was the Root of all Evil. Cindy Watts had a great hand in manipulating her daughter and husband to side with her against Shannan. But Shanann accused them of tampering with her food. she literally works at a hospital so its very possible that she has close connections to patients that may be prescribed it or it may just be easy for her to get her hands on. For me, this revelation enmity between Shanann and Cindy Watts reminds me of two aspects in two other cases. Yes, I can understand that Cindy might be in denial but I cannot understand her lack of compassion for Shanann -even after her death, Cindy acts like her daughter-in-law deserved it. But he was afaird to speak up..why Shanann Bullshit. We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. My family didnt drink. Quite a start huh? Total narcissism. I bet so was Chris mom. Jamie Watts Williams job connection to nutgate : r/Chriswatts - Reddit He is a narcisstic twit and wanted a new life with the GF. Another added, I wish the sister would talk, maybe she can give some insight as to why her brother is a lunatic and as to why he wouldnt just divorce her, screw his tramp on the side and move on., Watts and his then-coworker, Nichol Kessinger, began having an affair in June 2018, two months before the slayings. I had a wonderful mother in law and I take from her how to treat a daughter in law. Chris just saw red and let his moms words take over. The incident at Cindis house where she exposed CeCe To nuts happened in July not on June 9th. Shananns family are so nice and normal compared to Chriss. She even waited for her husband to run out of the house on an errand to expose CeCe to the nuts. As for being attracted to Nichol Kessinger I can see why she is Gorgeous and unfortunately too often people go by looks and forget about character. And his father enabled it. She should have wrote them ALL off from day one. Your Content is a Proud Electronic Service Provider for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.
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